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Re: Latest Info about the Clement Y-DNA Testing
Posted by: Virginia Tuttle (ID *****9519) Date: June 26, 2009 at 11:35:26
In Reply to: Latest Info about the Clement Y-DNA Testing by Linda Kaye Cope of 1655

If you think you descend from William Clement who came to Georgia with Oglethorpe, please take the DNA test (37 markers preferred). Virginia Tuttle EmaiL: Gintut@aol.com
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Compiler's thoughts: I am beginning to think (because of the DNA Clements tests) that the William Clement who came over with Oglethorpe and got a Royal Land Grant in Augusta, in 1744 is perhaps my ancestor. The info that I found stated that William traded his land in Savannah in order to get the 200 acres in Augusta. At that time it was St. Paul's Parish. There was an Andrew who died in Burke Co., Ga. before 1764 that could have been his son. There was also a Samuel and James there in Burke Co., Ga. as well. My Clements DNA so far has no matches (out of 200) to any Clements in Virginia, N.C. or S.C.

This compiler is searching for the parents of James E. Clements, B. 1813, Georgia. Also knowledge of his siblings. We are involved in the Family Tree DNA Project and so far eight different lines of Clements have been proven by DNA from Mass., Maryland, and Virginia with over 200 living Clements males having been tested. We do not match any of them except one Isaac Randolph Clements, b. at. 1813 Ga., Pulaski Co.,GA.

To date the following census information has been found and his parents have not been confirmed or proven. We can not get out of Georgia, except that James E. Clements' 1880 census states his father was born in S.C. Circumstanial evidence indicates that an Andrew Clements was related to this James E. Perhaps his uncle, brother, or father. His DNA (if indeed Davin Clements is his gr.gr.grandson) so far does not match descendants of James E. Clements.

Results of DNA test (April 1, 2008) of Davin Clements of Arkansas did not match M.L.(Larry) Clements, Chris or David Clements. In fact Davin's DNA markers do not match any of over 200 other Clements and about 8 different proven Clements lines. This lead your compiler to believe he is not a Clements. Davin thought he descended from Andrew Clements, b. bef.1780 S.C.

Proofs for James E. Clements' family found in Family Bible (copy send to DAR Hqs.)
The following is the first census showing James E. Clements and his family.
D/1445       1850 Tallapoosa, Al. (Youngsville Dist.), Township 21, Range 21. Page 99 of census.
       Clemmons,, James E. Age 39, Farmer P.V. 200, born in Ga.
        " Maryann E. (Wife) 30 " "
        " Newton D. son 10
        " Noah W. " 8
" Jane dau. 4
        " Sarah E. dau. 3
" Doctor son 1
In dwelling No. 1444 can be found William B. Peters and his family. He is Maryann's brother.
In dwelling No. 1446 can be found Eli Chandler and wife Nancy. Nancy is Maryann's sister.
In dwelling No. 1447 can be found William M. Peters and Gracy Powell (the parents)
In dwelling No. 1448 can be found Luke R. Peters. Luke is Maryann's brother.

It can be assumed that William M. Peters, his children and their spouses (the Clements and the Chandlers) left Georgia together to move westward to Youngsville
(now Alexander City) , Al. (Tallapoosa County, Al.) in 1845 or 1846. William M. Peters had purchased land there in 1845. They were all living within one mile of the Tallapoosa River in Carroll County. When Haralson County was created in 1866 it put the Peters property in Haralson. It would have been a logical move to go by flatbed boats on the river to Youngsville after the Battle of Horseshoe Bend and the Creek Indians had been removed from Alabama.

A gold mine had been discovered near Youngsville prior to 1844. Gold had been mined near Villa Rica and near a community known as Tallapoosa in Haralson County (located near Wm. M. Peters's farm) which leads one to believe that they, like thousands of others, were seeking gold. The country at that time was suffering from "gold mining" fever. Dahlonega, Georgia had experienced the first gold rush, and the Gold Rush to California in 1849 had not yet begun.

The 1860 census of Tallapoosa County, Ala. (Youngsville), page 384, gives the following information.
House 1292
James E. Clemons age 48 Farmer Prop. 1000 - 700, born in Ga.
Elizabeth " 49
Noah " 19
Semantha        " 14
Sarah " 14
Doctor " 10
Jacob " 8
Mary " 1

Your compiler first obtained the names of James E. Clements' children and their dates of birth from her great Uncle Arthur Clements who owned loose pages from his father's bible. So far the information has proved to be fairly accurate. His parents are not known for sure. It looks as if Andrew and Catherine are his parents or somehow related because he named two of his children after his ? sister Mariah, and his ? brother-in-law David Hansford.

Samuel Eason, James' son-in-law (proven) , after killing a Negro slave, hid out between Opelika and Phenix City, Al. (read more about under Sam.Eason and Semantha Clements) and the only known Clements relatives in that area were the married children of Andrew and Catherine Clements. This community is known as "Bleeker". A Clements/Allred descendant lives there now. If Andrew is not James's father, then he is probably an older brother. There is definitely some connection (read more about Andrew under his notes ).

James E. Clements served during the War Between the States in theTallapoosa County Home Guards in R. G. Young's Mounted Infantry Company . This unit was called to active state service for a nine month term in November 1863. All of the unit's members were from Tallapoosa County. Throughout its career, the company was under the command of Capt. R. G. Young. Upon being called to active service the company was assigned to the Department of Tennessee. The unit was also reported in the Department of Alabama, Mississippi, and East Louisiana. Shown below are the specific higher command assignments of the company.
Dec. 1, 1863 State Troops, Dist. of Ala.,Dept. of Tenn.
Feb. 29, 1864 State Troops, Dist. of Ala., Dept. of Ala., Miss., and East Louisiana
Early in 1864, the company was moved to Montgomery, Ala. to protect the State Capital. It served on provost and garrison duty there until the spring of 1864. It then moved to Selma, Ala. where it performed the same service for the remainder of its career. Nothing has been found to indicate that the company ever took part in any engagements of any kind during its career. The company was released from active service in the summer of 1864. At least some of its members saw additional service later in Alabama State Reserve units. Information in Alabama State Archives shows J.E. Clemments, age 48, 16 November 1863, Muster Roll, 1 July 1864;. J. E. Clemments, age 51 Muster Roll of 22 Jan. 1864; J. E. Clemments age 48 Muster Roll of 28 May 1864; J. E. Clemments age 51 Muster Roll of 22 March 1864

It is not known where James E. , wife Maryann, and the younger children were living when the census was taken in 1870. They are found on the 1866 Tallapoosa Co., Al. census which indicates that Maryann (wife) died after 1866. They cannot be found in the Tallapoosa County census. His son Jacob Bentley, age 17 and Ann, age 27 are shown in the house alone in 1870 Tspa. census. Census reads"Jacob making money". Though the ages are incorrect, this census is believed to be that of son Jacob, born 26 July 1851 and his new wife Heathann E. Dean who he married 14 Nov. 1869. Maryann Peters Clements was found only in the 1850 and 1860 census. She probabl;y died before the 1870 census was taken.

On June 27, 1868 two of James' sons borrowed money to make a crop also. See notes for Doctor E. Clements and for Jacob B. Clements. The boys started farming for themselves at a young age.

James received 40 acres of Homestead land in Tallapoosa Co., Al. in 1850. He paid $50.05 to the Receivers Office in Montgomery, Al. for this land. The land is located in what is now known as Alexander City. Land Certificate #11172 dated December 10, 1850 reads as follows: "It is hereby certified, that in pursuance of Law, James E. Clemments Tallapoosa County, State of Alabama on this day purchased of the Register of this Office, the Lot of The Northwest quarter of the Southeast quarter of Secfion No. twenty two in Township No. twenty two of Range No. twentyone containing Forty and 04 1/2/100 acres, at the rate of ten dollar and twenty five cents per acre, amounting to Fifty dollars and Five cents, for which the said James E. Clemments has made payment in full as required by law. Now therefore be it known, that on presentation of this Certificate to the Commissioner of the General Land Office, the said James E.Clemments shall be entitled to receive a patent for the lot above described. Signed Hardy Herbert, Register." Please note that the name is spelled with two mm's "Clemments". In the 1860 census it is spelled "Clemmons."

Book "Z", page 534 - 28 July 1860 Tspa. Co., Al. James E.and Maryann sold the following land: James E. Clemments and Maryann E. Clemments for and in consideration of two hundred and fifty dollars to us in hand paid by William L. Craddock whereof we acknowledge and confirm unto the same William Craddock the south half of southeast forth of northwest fourth and the south half of west forth of the northeast forth in Section 36,, Township 23, Range 21 east, to have and to hold...signed J. E. Clemments. XHer mark - Maryann Clemments(w/seals). This deed was witnessed by T. D. Dandy, J.P

State of Alabama, Tallapoosa County - D. Dandy an acting justice of peace hereby certify that James E. Clemments and Maryann Clemments whose name is signed to the foregoing conveyance and who is known to me acknowledge before me on this day that being informed of the contents of the conveyance she excuted the same voluntarily on the day same. given under my hand this the 28th day of July A.D.1860. Signed T.D. Dandy, J.P.

The Homestead land was located Section 22, Township 22, Range 21. The land that they sold was Section 36, Township 23, Range 21. This is most confusing. Perhaps they did some exchanging of the original Homestead.

On May 7, 1869 in Tallapoosa County, Al. James E. Clements borrowed money from Agent S. P. Adams . This Promissory Note was found on Page 455/6(No. 440) Deed Bk P. It reads: "By the first day of October next I promise to pay S. P. Adams Agent one hundred pounds lint cotton to class middling for value rec'd in provisions advanced to enable me to make a crop and without which it would not be in my power to make a crop. This note is made bonafide for the purpose set forth. Now for the better securing the payment of the above obligation I hereby constitute this instrument as a mortgage upon eleven head of sheep marked with a crop and split in the left ear and split in right ear. Also a two horse wagon now in my possession and in case I fail, neglect, or refuse to pay said cotton I hereby empower S.P. Adams Agent to seize and sell said sheep and wagon hereby conveyed at auction for cash in Youngsville (Alexander City), Ala. first giving five days notice time, terms, and place of sale by posting notice at Youngsville and pay said debt together with the expense of this trust, valueing the cotton at the best price on the day of Maturity of this obligation. But should this contract be complied with fully, then this obligation to be null &void. Otherwise to remain in full force and effect. Witness my hand and seal this May 7th,1869. Signed J. E. Clements (seal)" Filed inOffice for record. May 8th, 1869 and duly recorded May 10, 1869, signed Allen B. Studevant, Judge Probate" On the border of the note is "Satisfied in full April 1st, 1870" signed S. P. Adams, Agent

Evidently James E. Clements needed more money for survival and for his crops so he obtained a second mortgage June 28th 1869. This evidently was a bad year for the family. Remember the Civil War ended in 1865 and these were the hard reconstruction years in the South. Both notes were paid off at the same time - April 1, 1870. Where did he get the money to pay off the notes? He would not have harvested his cotton in April. Perhaps he worked for the railroad. The railroad was completed to Alexander City, Al.in 1868. Your compiler cannot find him in any census in 1870. Where did he and Maryann go? Where did they die? Two of James' sons and two of his son-in-laws had gone off to war leaving the farm work to be done by James and the women. It must have been a rough ten years for all involved. Also James may have been in Montgomery in the Home Guards for nine months.

Evidently, he left Tallapoosa County before the 1870 census was taken since he can not be found living in the county when the census was taken. These documents proves that James E. Clements was still alive on April l, 1870. Where was he when the census was taken in July 1970?

Tallapoosa Co.,Ala. Page 686 Deed Bk P of Court Records -" By the first day of October next, I promise to pay S. P. Adams, Agent two hundred pounds lint cotton to clap middling for value received in provisions advanced to enable me to make a crop and without said provisions it would not be in my power to make a crop. Now for the better securing the payment of the above obligation, I hereby constitute this instrument as a mortgage of a small yoke of paen three years old, one a brindle color, the other a red and white, said oxen now in my possession, and in case I fail to pay said cotton I hereby authorize and impower S. P. Adams, Agent to seize and sell said oxen hereby conveyed at auction for cash in Youngsville, Ala. first giving five days notice of time, terms, and place of sale by posting notice at Youngsville."....(says same as above) Signed June 28th, 1869 by J. E.Clements. Filed for record Jul.8, 1869 and duly recorded Jul.9, 1869. Signed Allen B..Sturdivant, Judge" On border of note is 'Satisfied in full April 1st, 1870" signed S.P. Adams,Agent

From the records in Carroll County, one would have to assume that James E. Clements owned no land there. He married in 1838, lived next door to his in-laws, the Peters and they all moved to Alabama before 1846. The following are tax records in Carroll County, Ga.

Roll #GRG 6-1054- Tax Digest, Carroll County, Ga. 1832, 1842, 1844, 1847
1832 - Tax Digest Carroll County - No Clements or Clemmons
1841 - Tax Digest 8th Dist. 653 GM abstracted Tax Book located at Neva Lomason        Library       
Carrollton - William M. Peters 1 poll, 162 acres Lot #272 8th Dist. Carroll (now ) Haralson County. Also land in Lee County, Georgia William M. Peters, Administrator estate of William Little.
Living in the next house was James E. Clements - 1 poll, no land listed. Note said he was Agent for J.S. Russell - land in Cass County. No relationship given.

James Clements 1 poll 290 acres 4th Dist. (now Heard Co.) - default (this seems to be an older James who bought land in Carroll County in 1838 and was there on the 1830 census. This James is believed to be the father of the William Clements who moved there in 1840 and the two seem to have gone next to Randalph County, Al. where the older James died. This William and James are the ones who were in Jackson Co., Ga. (Fort Daniel in War of 1812). This is the William who married Winnie Horton. This older James could be the father of Andrew and William as well as a Charles and others who at one time were in Fayette Co., Ga. This James is thought to be the same James who was in Gwinett Co., Ga. with 5 to 10 slaves in 1820.

DNA testing of proven descendants from this Charles, James, etc. do not match our DNA(James E.Clements, b. 1813) thus ruling out our kinship if their paper trail is correct.

1842 - Carroll County Tax Digest - No Clemmons or Clements paid taxes.       
1844 - James E.Clements 1 poll no land given - living in 8th Dist.
William Peters 1 poll - 162 acres #272 8th District Carroll County
William Peters Admr. William Little estate land in Carroll & Paulding County
8th District.
Defaulter - James L. Clements 1 poll - 2nd District (not the old James or James E. 1847 - 8th District - no Clements and no Peters

A BIT OF HISTORY OF ALEXANDER CITY (YOUNGVILLE), TALLAPOOSA CO., ALABAMA
James Young and his family came through this wilderness and found a new home in 1836 while the Indians still roamed the Hillabee, Oaklasusa and Elkhatchee Creek Hills in search of wild deer, turkey,etc. The Tallapoosa River provided an abundance of fish and the family opened a store. Mr. Young succeeded in getting a post office put in his store, known as the Georgia Store and the area became known as Youngville until 1874 when it was renamed Alexander City. In the late 1860's there were three stores, three bar rooms, a distillery, a tanyard, a wood shop, a blacksmith shop, a tavern, a cock pit, a race track, a tenpen alley and a doctor's shop which served as a drug store. Youngville was a typical pioneer town and did not amount to much until the first train pulled into it on June 24, 1874. It was a great occasion and celebrated by thousands of people who had never seen a train. They came from all over Tallapoosa, Coosa, Elmore, Clay and even farther. "Dinner on the ground" and "speaking" featured the day, but the thing which all awaited was the arrival of "Simon Suggs", the engine, and when it came shrieking and blowing down the track, it is reported that more than half the crowd departed straightway for home in mortal fear of the great iron monster. The town continued to grow on a larger scale with a courthouse until Friday, the 13th of June 1902 when a fire totally destroyed all businesses. Luckily the courthouse and its valuable documents were spared. Today, in Tallapoosa County, Al. you will find hundreds of vacation homes and boats on a manmade lake. This is Lake Martin that contains thousands of acres of land. The area promises to continue to attract hundreds of boating and fishing enthusiasts and second home owners.

Horseshoe Bend National Military Park is located 12 miles North of Dadeville, Ala on highway 49 a few miles south of what is now known as Alexander City (was Youngsvile). The Horseshoe Bend of the Tallapoosa River (looking north illustrates how the battle and the park were named). The clearing of the "toe" of the horseshoe is where the village of Tohopeka was located. Creek Indians lived here relying on the Tallapoosa River and surrounding forest for food and shelter. The Creeks built a barricade of logs five to eight feet high in front of their village with the Tallapoosa River to the back. Believing they would be safe, and the soldiers would not attack their village. March 27, 1814 soldiers of the U.S. 39th Infantry followed by Tennessee militiamen poured over the barricade killing almost the entire village population. Many Indians ran into the Tallapoosa River trying to escape. The water ran red with their blood. This battle was in retaliation for the Massacre at Ft. Mims. Sam Houston as well as Andrew Jackson took part in this battle. In 1836 General Sam Houston and his small army fought for Texas Independence from Mexico, defeating the Mexican Army of Santa Anna on April 21, 1836 at the battle of San Jacinto, Texas.

Note: The Tallapoosa River before 1900 ran from Alexander City, Alabama to Tallapoosa (Carroll County), Ga.(now Haroldson County). The river is within 1/2 mile of the old Peters property near Tallapoosa, Ga. It can be assumed that the Peters and Clements loaded up their goods and cattle and moved by rafts on the river over to Alexander City, Alabama in 1845/46.

There were other Clements families in Tallapoosa County when James E. Clements was there in 1850-1870. No relationship with the others has been established to date. The following marriages of Clements/Clemons were recorded from 1864 to 1890 in Tallapoosa County. Abie Clemons (female) married James P. Glover, December 19, 1867 Henry Clemons married Mary Milner, October 30, 1866 J. A. Clemons married M. J. Pattillio May 28, 1892 John P. Clemons married Missouri Richards October 10, 1866 Peyton T. Clemons married Louisa N. Cassady July 28, 1868 Mrs. M. J. Clemons married A. M. Thomas April 28, 1882.

To make this research even more complicated, there are Clements in Tuscaloosa Co., Al. in the 1800's that have lots of the same names. Tuscaloosa county is near Tallapoosa County,Al. where James E. Clements moved his family about 1845. They were also in South Carolina in 1790. DNA testing has proven we are not from the same root.

Just Research Notes: John A. Clemons b. 1836 Ga mar.Missouri A. Richards on 11 Oct. 1866 in Tallapoosa Co.,Al (this was while James E. Clements was living there????) Were they related? This John A. was the son of Peyton Clemons/Clements and Rebecca Sanders(who mar, in Jones Co., GA 2 Jan. 1831 and later moved to Troup Co,Ga. This John A. had two sons, William Theophilis and Marion Orthanalia Clemons. Also married in Tallapoosa Co were his brother, Peyton T. Clemons, b. 1844, Ga who maried Louisia M. Cassady on July 28, 1868(who had at least one sone, James . 1869Al.) and their brother Wiley Clemons, b. 1840 GA who married Aby Richards on Jan. 2, 1861. DNA testing has proven that the Clements/Clemons that were in Chambers Co.,Al. in 1850-1880 are not related to our line.

In the 1880 Lee County Census there is a James Clemons, age 63, b. Ga. with a young wife named Susan, age 38, b. SC and a daughter Adeline, age 1. They lived at Sears Crossroads and a few houses away there was a Slappy family ( a Slappy son married a granddaughter of Andrew and Catherine Clements) and a J. W. Foster family. Some Fosters also married grandchildren of Andrew and Catherine Clements. This could be a second marriage for our own James E. Clements, b. 1813. Your compiler is accepting this Mary Susan Henderson as the second wife of James E. Clements.

It seems that James E. Clements married a second time in 1877 in Lee County, Alabama. Nothing is known about when or where Mary Ann Peters Clements died, the mother of 13 of his children. The marriage license shows his second wife to be Mary Henderson, however the 1880 Lee County census shows her as Susan. They are listed with a one year old daughter named Adeline. The mortgage note that James E. signed in 1888 with son-in-law R.F. Ellis is offered as proof that this is our James E.Clements.

From Lee County, AL.(Opelika) Mortgage Book A-4, page 285: James E. Clements borrows from Stork & Riddle. R.F.Ellis went on a note for James Clements to borrow $60 in Lee Co., Ala in May of 1888 to make a crop which seems to prove that this is the James that was father of R. F. Ellis's wife. This money was paid back. This reads "By the 1st day of October 1888, we promise to pay Stork and Riddle Sixty Dollards the same being for advance in money and provisions furnished us by said Stork and Riddle and was obtained by us to enable us to make a crop the present year nd we do hereby expressly declare that the said advances are obtained by our bonafide for the purpose of making a crop and without such advances it would not be in our power to procure the necessary team, provisions and furnishing ample needs to make a crop and we do expressly waive all our exemption right to any property real or personal under the constitution and laws of the State of Alabama as against the payee or assigns of this note in regard to the collection thereof. Given under our hand and seal on this lst day of May 1888." Witness: J. A. Strong, W. T. Jones Signed J. E. Clements and R. F. Ellis.

The newspaper "Columbus Enquirer - Sun.., Tuesday, Dec. 5, 1893, page 5 shows the following obituary: "Death in Phenix City - Mr. J. E. Clements, aged seventy-eight years, died at his home in Phenix City Sunday at 2:30 o'clock a.m. His wife and three children survive him. He was a member of the Christian church. The funeral occurred at 10 O'clock yesterday morning, and was conducted by Rev. L. A. Dale."

This obit for James E.Clements is a bit confusing since we believe this is the same James that was married to Mary Susan Henderson. Her obit named only one child as a survivor. It is not known when James E. Clements and wife moved to Phenix City but it was after Oct. of 1888. He cannot be found in the Phenix City Directory. Opelika, Ala. and Phenix City are only about 30 miles apart.

"Columbus Enquirer Newspaper May 30, 1895
Mrs. Susan Clements, age 61 yrs., died at her residence in upper Girard at 7 O'clock yesterday morning after an illness of 2 weeks of asthma. She was a member of the Methodist Church. One daughter survives her, Miss Addie Clements. She was a sister of Mrs. Frank Moore of Rose Hill and Elder J. E. W. Henderson of Troy, Ala and Mrs. F. H. M. Henderson formerly of Bowden, Ga. The funeral will take place from her home at 2 o'clock tomorrow.

Family bible was found (in possession of Arthur Clements) that listed James E. Clements birthdate, wife, and his children. Compiler sent copy of this bible to DAR Hqs.


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